Mindful Nutrition: The Connection Between Why We Eat and What We Eat : Episode Transcript

INTRO: [00:00:00] Cassandre: [00:00:00] Too often Black women are a mere afterthought in conversations around wellness, but not in this space. On this podcast, the dialogue is always centered around women. Like you welcome to the podcast, but more important. Welcome to the tribe. Be well, sis.

[00:00:19] Hello! Hello! And welcome back to the  podcast. I am your host Cassandre Dunbar.

[00:00:25] How are you doing Sis? We really in the final stretch of 2020, and I’m so, so grateful. I’m grateful for many things and high on my list is you! You know, after much thought and going back and forth in my head- I finally created this podcast in February… right before shit hit the fan in March and life took a drastic turn.W

[00:00:50] With this podcast -being able to connect with the brilliant women who I’ve interviewed as well as with you who reached out to me -has been a blessing that I just [00:01:00] never saw it coming. And I can’t thank you enough for how you’ve poured into me… I’m becoming so much more emotional as I get older.

[00:01:09] And I don’t like that! I used to be a G and now look at me ! And let me stop, but seriously, thank you for being the highlight of my year.

[00:01:18] So I’m constantly coming across new information that I find to be useful to the people in my life. So I decided to incorporate those things into a new segment called ‘On My Radar’.

[00:01:30] Here, I’ll share a wellness -related to people, places and things that have piqued my interest and might be worthy of your attention. So, uh, for this week on my radar is an app called Wolomi. It is the only digital community that offers support to women of color to improve maternal health outcomes.

[00:01:50] It was founded by a registered nurse and maternal health expert focused on guiding and supporting aspiring moms and moms to enjoy their pregnancy journey. This [00:02:00] is the app that I wish I had this when I was trying to conceive and pregnant. One of the first posts that I, that caught my eye was titled ‘The Woman of Colors’s Guide To Owning Your Pregnancy.

[00:02:12] And as I scroll down, now, I’m looking at the app. Um, there’s other ones titled Wolomi’s Guide to Breastfeeding like a G …. they even have a preconception checklist along with discussions in the community section; some of them are led by the community members and others are led by experts, such as a dermatologist.

[00:02:32] I’m  also seeing one by a midwife, another one by a black OB and pediatrician and even a doula. This is just so, so dope. And if you are trying to conceive or are pregnant or even having young children, this is an incredible resource that’s tailored just for us. It’s free and it’s available on both iOS and Android operating systems.

[00:02:53] So I will link that in the show notes.

00:02:56] Oh and on a sidenote- I realized that I’m [00:03:00] not always good at linking things, but I promise I’m committed to doing better by all. So if I say it, I’m going to link something, it’ll be there. I promise I’m working on it.

[00:03:11] So another thing that is on my radar is a  skin care brand, excuse me, called Odacite.

[00:03:18] So they shot at me out back in June during all the BLM, um, activity happening. And then they sent me a package of goodies tailored towards my skin type, which for reference is oily combination sensitive and acne prone girl. It’s a lot happening. Um, and they recently sent me another package and wow. The things in this package are now my, my staples, um, to start.

[00:03:47] If you don’t have a Gua Sha skincare tool, please stop playing and go get one. Um, I’ve been seeing a lot of them all over the place for the past year. I thought they were like another gimmick. So I really didn’t look into it. However, [00:04:00] or that’s it. They sent me one and BABY, I beg you to get one!

[00:04:05] So I’m looking on their website now. And they described the Gua Sha as a. Um, as that. So they say that Gua Sha facial massage is an ancient beauty ritual, known to breathe new life into the skin . Used for centuries in traditional Chinese medicine; this effective treatment will smooth the away the appearance of wrinkles and helps a visibly firm the facial contours while awakening skin’s natural glow.

[00:04:32] So in the package that they sent, they have detailed instructions on how to use the Gua Sha tool. And I used that to give myself a facial massage. So one of my love languages is physical touch, and I decided to start using my own love language on myself and to do so I’d incorporate this tool in my skincare routine.

[00:04:56] So I pair it with one of my favorite serums that happens to [00:05:00] be by Odacite. And I use the directions that they provided to get myself facial routine. So I found that it helps to. Um, during the lymphatics. So that helps with moving some of the puffing, especially as I’ve been having so much more sodium  in these past few days, and not only does it feel good, but I promise you, my skin has never been so radiant.

[00:05:24] I even tried it on my husband to see how he would feel. And listen, he even said that his, he felt that his skin looked better. I mean, Wow. So, yes. So I’m also going to link that down in the show notes for you to take a look as well. So that wraps up this week’s on my radar.

[00:05:42] So now, let’s get into the episode.

[00:05:44] Today’s episode features Esosa E. – also known as the raw girl. Esosa a dynamic certified nutritional specialist, behavioral coach, and a published author with 10 years of experience, inspiring others [00:06:00] to live their best healthiest lives. In 2018 associate received her Master of Science in nutrition and integrative health.

[00:06:10] After 10 years of informal study writing and coaching, she’s the author of The Acne Free Diet and Got Veg? How to Thrive on a Plant-based Diet. She also created her signature online program. Called Staying Ageless 30 plus, which has a comprehensive curriculum designed to help women 30 plus achieve optimum health and stay youthful using diet and lifestyle changes.

[00:06:35] She’s been featured in glamour Elle, Ebony, Black Enterprise, and much, much more.

[00:06:42] In speaking to her, I realized that our behavior around food all boiled down to mindfulness. So this past year, there’s been a lot of talk about mindfulness for me. I’ve just started noticing the word mindfulness being [00:07:00] thrown everywhere.

[00:07:00] So what exactly is mindfulness ?

[00:07:05] Mindfulness means maintaining a moment by moment awareness of our thoughts, feelings, bodily sensations, and surrounding environment through a gentle nurturing.

[00:07:20] I think when we talk about our eating habits, especially around this time of year, there’s a lot of negative self-loathing and self judgment for being indulgent. And that’s just not what we’re about to do! Instead.,Like Esosa mentioned , let’s dig deep and find out why we’ve taken up  certain habits and thought process surrounding food in our diets.

[00:07:42] So without further ado, let’s jump right into the conversation. So thank you so much for joining. I am so, so glad you’re here. Be well sis.

[00:07:53] What was your journey to veganism?

[00:07:57]Esosa: [00:07:57] Um, Sure. Yeah. So I’m [00:08:00] not as, I’m not a nutritionist only for vegans. I’m a certified nutrition specialist, but I personally am vegan.

[00:08:07] I’ve been vegan for over 20 years. Um, and I became vegan when I was 13 years old. Um, I kinda gave up. I was lactose intolerance or I had already given up milk. Thank God, because I see people now with conditions all the time that come from lactose intolerance where they ignored it. Um, so it was lactose intolerance.

[00:08:30] I had already given up milk and then one day I was just like, I’m going to get rid of me. And I’m, um, uh, never really looked back from then. And then later on in life, I did have some health crises and whatever, but I started to realize that. That decision that I made very early on was so integral in protecting me from getting so many health issues that I see other , some of my clients have, um, because it, um, yeah, my life could have gone down a whole other road if I hadn’t  done [00:09:00] that because it actually is really, really great for my particular body type. And I always focus on helping my clients find the diet that’s best for them. At this point, I’ve seen thousands of clients.

[00:09:10] Like when I first started out as a nutritionist, I worked in an obesity clinic and I had like over 300 patients a month. Um, and all ages, all races, all kinds of diseases, all kinds of diets. And so for me, I can deal with any kind of diet. I see everything from HIV to fibroids, to lung cancer, to, ‘I just want to lose weight’. Um, all of those things are things that I deal with on a daily basis.

[00:09:38] Cassandre: [00:09:38] Wow. And you know, what I love about you so far is that you speak to the client wherever they are. Um, I feel like vegans can get a bad rap because, um, the louder ones are the ones who are really. Preaching at everybody  to be vegan. I love that. You just, wherever you’re at, whatever your goals are, like, you’ll work with the [00:10:00] person where they’re at. I think that’s beautiful.

[00:10:01] Esosa: [00:10:01] Well, it’s also about understanding if you actually know anything about nutrition and if you’ve seen a lot of clients, you realize that one person’s perfect food is usually another person’s poison. Now, when it comes to plant-based foods, we all need plant-based foods. But there’s really only like one blood type that doesn’t really work super well with vegan. And that’s type O like if you meet type Os and you ask them if they’ve ever gone vegan, they’ll tell you about the sob story of, you know, so the couple of months and how weak they felt and how horrible they, how their lives felt like it was going to be over.

[00:10:34] You know what I mean? It was a whole dramatic thing, but pretty much everyone else doesn’t exactly have an excuse, but I’m very, I’m very. Um, once I was working in the obesity clinic, I got very fascinated with figuring out, especially for women, the exact diet and exercise that is right for that person.

[00:10:52] Because when you dial in on that, then you can hit people’s health goals. You know, you can help them get the body they want, you can help them recover, especially if [00:11:00] they’re out of balance, you know what I’m saying? So, um, plant-based size have power and they should be used, um, often for a lot of different conditions.

[00:11:08] There’s so many conditions that can actually. Benefit from going vegan, even if it’s not going for, you know, forever, um, and Black people in particular, shouldn’t even be drinking dairy. 75% of Black people are lactose intolerant. And I see  women with fibroids all day and they love to drink them out when they were younger.

[00:11:27] And so there’s, there’s certain things, you know, that apply. But at the end of the day, for me, it’s about the individual person I have to take into consideration, you know, their health history, their genetics, their background, their cultural background, all those things matter when you think about a diet.

[00:11:43] Cassandre: [00:11:43] Yeah, absolutely. Especially if someone’s going to actually commit to it. Yeah. Those things definitely matter. And going back to the milk. Milk is just the devil. ..Yes. [00:12:00] Like ice cream is, is Bae, but. Like you said most of us shouldn’t be having it because it doesn’t serve us. Like we just are not tolerant. We like, we can’t process it properly  and just get inflamed and all that stuff.

[00:12:16] You mentioned, um, the fibroids, what’s the connection between fibroids and dairy.

[00:12:23] Esosa: [00:12:23] Oh, my goodness!

[00:12:24] Well, here’s the thing. Fibroids is a condition that is primarily, uh, the, the main issue. There is estrogen dominance, right? So you, your, your estrogen levels are higher relative to the other hormones or. Some of the other homers are lower in the estrogen, still higher, basically. There’s just more estrogen, you know, going on with that person.

[00:12:48] And what happens to a lot of the Black female clients that I have is that they are lactose intolerant, but they kept mainlining dairy, which is full of chock full of hormones. Okay. Chock full [00:13:00] of hormones, or just like, you know, processed meats. Like if they’re going to McDonald’s and all this stuff like that, but dairy in particular is concentrated amounts of hormones and it’s, it’s addictive.

[00:13:12] And it’s really hard to get rid of because the, the, the amount of hormones in it is actually designed to draw a nursing calf back to its mother. It’s that strong it’s like drug strong. And so when you. Continuously mainline, something that has these hormones in it, that you are already not your body already, uh, you know, considered inflammatory.

[00:13:35] Then you end up with fibroids over time, or you end up with cysts in your breasts, or you end up with other gross because these hormones are basically telling, you’re telling parts of your tissue to grow. You see what I’m saying? Just the same way that a nursing calf would take the milk in order to grow into a cow, you are consuming the milk of another animal, and it’s telling your body tissues to grow, [00:14:00] but instead, and your body is going to come up as an abnormal tumor cyst or something like that.

[00:14:06] You see?

[00:14:08] Cassandre: [00:14:08] Yeah. And the, um, fibroids in our community is just so prevalent. So many women have them. Um, it’s like common, like, yeah, I got fibroids. Yeah. You Too?. Yeah. Like it’s super common and it really shouldn’t be, um, And at this point, there are so many different alternatives to dairy that you don’t have to have milk.

[00:14:31] You know, like there are really good alternatives out there these days.

[00:14:35] Esosa: [00:14:35] Amazing alternatives.

[00:14:38] Cassandre: [00:14:38] So I feel like with this pandemic and what’s happening in the world..One, like the silver lining in all of this, it has been that I think a lot of us are being more mindful of what we put into our bodies. Would you agree?

[00:14:51] Esosa: [00:14:51] Well, yeah, what’s happened during the pandemic is a lot of people are having a come to Jesus moment where they’re like, wait a minute, [00:15:00] ‘my health is a hot mess. Perhaps I should get it together now’. And, you know, My clients too. I’m like, I know where you are. I know where you live and I know you ain’t going, so let’s get this party started, like, there’s this, you know, why wait until there is a global pandemic.

[00:15:15] We don’t know what else is coming next. And really your immunity is the sum. Total of all of your lifestyle choices. You have to be. The only way you can become resilient is to make really great choices. Day after day after day after day, it’s not just like a. Oh, a temporary, let me do this diet and now I’m again, get my immunity.  Right. Kind of thing. You see what I’m saying? So I think what it has been as a wake up call, like, ‘Hey, I can’t just keep going on this slippery slope of eating whatever and not taking care of myself, making work, my idol, making other thing’. My, I, you know what I’m saying? I think it’s a big wake up call for people.

[00:15:54] Cassandre: [00:15:54] So yeah. We had to like sit down somewhere to like, there’s nowhere to [00:16:00] go, nowhere to hide. Exactly. You’re just it’s you and yourself. And it was like, you know what, like I could do better, you know? And yeah. And I think iespecially yeah. And speaking about like immunity and everything, we’re all trying to like, you know, be protected, did it and safe from the COVID.

[00:16:18] Um, We are now realizing, and maybe looking into our gut as a source of our immunity. I don’t think we realize, but before this, we, as the majority, I don’t think we realize how much our gut health is important to our overall health, especially our immune system. Um, I also wanted to touch on, I saw that you wrote a book called The Acne Free Diet. Let’s talk about that. Cause your girls breaking out! So this is just a, on a personal tidbit.

[00:16:50] Esosa: [00:16:50] Um, I [00:17:00] mean, the diet is, is a hundred percent going to determine what you look like on the outside. Like some people may get away with it for a while where they don’t nothing happens to them, but then they will wake up with some other diagnosis.

[00:17:13] One day, you can’t just mainline crappy food, low quality things, and expect that nothing will happen to your body. Even if you can’t visibly see it all the time, it’ll eventually catch up with you. And usually it catches up to people in their thirties. Mid thirties. You know what I mean? Around that time, it’s like, oops, perhaps I should have got that together.

[00:17:34] But, um, the, The Acne Free Diet came out of my own personal health crisis. I had like really bad acne at a certain point and kind of went down this rabbit hole. Now I call myself the ‘acne Ninja’. Like people come to the acne and they leave without it. That’s the way it goes. Like, I don’t like it. I’ll like it know my clients.

[00:17:52] I’m like, you don’t have to, you don’t have to sit down somewhere because we’d love to get rid of this acne. Okay. Um, so I had, what was going on [00:18:00] is I was a sugar addict. I was a processed food vegan person at one point, which, you know, that happens. There were very unhealthy vegans out there and I’m eating a lot of sugar tired all the time, kind of had chronic fatigue.

[00:18:15] And I. Had all these trying to my skin was horrible. And I was actually at that time booking things like Essence magazine and different things. And it was so embarrassed to go to these shoots and have all this acne. Right. So I, um, had, I like, you know, proactive and all the different, like, you know, acne potions.

[00:18:34] And I remember one day I just was like, ‘this is not working’. And this seems like the wrong approach. And I just went in the bathroom and had a straight up movie moment where I was like, okay, Tossing everything wildly into the trash

[00:18:57] I handled hers from the inside out, you know, [00:19:00] and I signed up for a raw food class with this black couple in Harlem, and I started to learn about raw foods. I became a raw foodist within a month. My skin was completely clear. Even the, even the marks that were on my skin were gone. Wow. And I did a lot of juicing.

[00:19:17] I did. I mean, I did, I made Rejuvelac, which is this like fermented, uh, fermented wheat Berry drink. I was doing all kinds of stuff, but I was only eating raw fruits and vegetables, and that was kind of the start of my healing. But. Um, now I know so much more about why that was happening to me. And also I know so much more about the different reasons why someone can have acne.

[00:19:38] There’s so many different reasons. There’s hormonal reasons. There’s, uh, you could have parasites or candida that could cause acne, you could have leaky gut issues that could cause acne. Um, and you could just have a really horrible diet full of rancid oils, processed oils, dairy things that are just, you know what I mean?

[00:19:56] That are inflaming you in that way. So. [00:20:00] You have to get to the root cause of the acne in order to solve the acne problem. And so when I first wrote the acne free diet, it was just more about my journey and things to eliminate. And, um, when I went back and sort of brushed upon it, and I think if I were to write it again, I would come at it from the perspective of.

[00:20:18] Getting helping people understand the root cause of it because you really do have to get to the place where it’s like, Oh, mine’s hormonal. You see? And once you notice hormonal, there’s a very specific thing you can do and it will get rid of it in a moment. So it’s, it’s, it’s. It’s important to be like, you know, go deal with someone who knows what they’re doing.

[00:20:40] Um, and then figure out why you have the acne in the first place. Don’t go to a dermatologist because all they’re going to do is just give you some stuff to put on your face, and they’re not going to deal with the root cause, which means that whenever you stop taking that, Whatever it is. Um, and if it’s birth control, that’s going to cause you a whole host of other [00:21:00] problems, but whatever it is, you stop taking whatever it is, the acne is going to come right back.

[00:21:04] Cause you haven’t dealt with the root cause you see. Hmm. It’s just like putting a bandaid on it instead of actually like fixing. Yeah. That’s primarily what what’s so frustrating about our medical system is this is what doctors do primarily is they put band-aids on it with medication. They do not know how to solve or heal the root cause.

[00:21:26] This is why I became a CNS because what I do is I. Investigate until I figure out the root cause, which is why I’m actually able to help my patients go from point a to point B, which is I have this problem. I don’t have this problem. But if you, if you go the traditional medicine, route, the tradition, a traditional Western medicine route, you just end up with medication on top of medication, every single meditation you take depletes nutrients.

[00:21:54] And that could cause a whole other problems is so it’s like I’ve just been like. [00:22:00] No one has listened to me and I’ve just been, this is my patients, you know, I’m speaking on their behalf right now. Like, because my patients are so frustrating. Most of my patients are black women. They have horrific experiences in medical, you know, in, in, in, um, in doctor’s offices.

[00:22:15] And a lot of times their pain is ignored. Their stories ignored. They’re treated horribly, and then they’re sent on their Merry way with traumatic sometimes traumatic, like just, you know, words, like you’ll never have a child it’s like, who says that the people like in Africa, like in my culture, that’s a curse.

[00:22:33] Like don’t say that to people. Yeah. You know what I’m saying? So it’s, it’s really interesting. It’s like the whole thing is kind of backwards and I, I pray that it actually changes, but until then I do what I do and I, I don’t find it. I’m really glad. I’m so grateful. And, and I find it so gratifying to not be a part of that system and to be a part of.

[00:22:58] Really actually [00:23:00] listening to people and helping people get well.

[00:23:02]Cassandre: [00:23:02] Ooh, sugar addiction. Yeah. Sugar addiction is, uh, I didn’t realize that sugar is an absolutely everything. I tried the whole 30 diet for a little bit about a year or two ago. So I had to read all my labels for the first time in, I think forever. I had never read my labels up until then. I think that have sugar. Sugar is in everything, pasta sauce. Like what?!

[00:23:27] How did you break your sugar addiction? Was  itthat just you’d have to go cold Turkey or..?

[00:23:32] Esosa: [00:23:32] I broke, I broke my sugar addiction using bitter foods. And if you want, I can send you the talk I did last night, it’s free. It’s on YouTube, on bitter foods. And you can link it in your show notes, but like the bitter foods where people don’t realize is the biggest problem that we have in the standard American diet is that. We only take in certain flavors we take in sweet. We take salted, we take in sour. We barely taken umami or [00:24:00] pungent unless we are eating international cuisines.

[00:24:03] Right? Like, so everyone, everyone just wants to feel good. Oh, I want to only want to sweet. Oh, I only want to savory only I only want to salty. Okay. And then if you’re eating a lot of processed foods, your taste buds are trained to have these high levels of sugar and salt. You see, and bitter. Is the most metabolically active flavor, meaning, and actually revs up your metabolism and in every single culture other than American culture, bitter foods are a staple.

[00:24:32] And what bitter foods do is they balance out your sugar cravings and your desire for sugar. Um, they actually, there are two. The, the brain, th they’re bitter receptors all over the body, but the brain can’t be on sugar and bitter at the same time. So when you actually start to eat more bitters, you actually train your body to, to stop craving sugar.

[00:24:56] And you actually. Become these bitter foods actually [00:25:00] become more palatable to you basically. And so I was living in crown Heights at the time. It was living around a lot of rostas and I started taking these herbal bitter concoctions that they had I would take shots of them.

[00:25:13] They were nast!. And what happened was after a couple of weeks, like I just, literally, I went from like having to put eight apples in my green juice to drinking green juice straight and being like, okay with it. It was so interesting. And I learned this well before it was a nutritionist. And so when I became a nutritionist, I was like, Oh, you got a sugar addiction, no problem drink.

[00:25:36] Oh, you know, a glass of green tea every morning with no sugar in it. Or, you know, find something bitter. I just give them bitter things. And then sure enough, it changes their palette.

[00:25:57] Cassandre: [00:25:57] For those of you who are new here, music plays a [00:26:00] huge role in my wellness and in keeping in line with being grateful for y’all today is that some of the date is a cookout staple, and a song that instantly perks me up. And it’s, I want to thank you by Alicia minors.

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[00:26:50] Let’s get back to the episode.

[00:27:11] [00:27:00] So let’s talk about the behavioral coaching aspect, um, of your practice. So how do you link the two or combine the two and working with your clients?

[00:27:21] Esosa: [00:27:21] Yeah. So when I. Became, um, a nutritionist and I had my first office and I was working in this obesity clinic and I was seeing a bunch of patients. They asked me to also be the behavioral coach on staff.

[00:27:33] And I was like, uh, okay. Uh, so basically I went and I started reading a whole bunch and then learning and then implementing and really what it is. Behavioral coach is someone who can help you change your behavior. And how I do it is I ask a lot of questions. I also really understand the psychology of habit for me.

[00:27:55] And how you get someone to change an unhealthy habit to a healthy one. I [00:28:00] also go even deeper because now I’ve gotten to the place where I’m like, Oh wow. Where I realized that certain people have subconscious beliefs that are informing their behavior in the first place. And so now I sometimes even refer my clients to a rapid transformation.

[00:28:17] A transformation therapist who helps them change those beliefs. And then it’s like smooth sailing. All of a sudden they’re like able to follow the diet plan or able to do the, you know, do the exercises or whatever it is that they were trying to do before. Sometimes we get in our own way and we don’t even know it.

[00:28:34] And so I use really deep things to get to the crux of why are you not, you know, why are you not able to. To, uh, your behavior’s not able to last long enough, you know what I mean? Because the people do this. Yo-yo dieting thing where they’re like, Oh, I’m on this today. I’m on weight Watchers. Jenny Craig. Oh, I’m on this.

[00:28:56] But when like the people who go through my saying age is 30 plus cross. [00:29:00] Like I just got a note from a woman who lost 30 pounds in the saying age is 30 plus class, which includes behavioral coaching and the psychology of habit forming and all that. She dropped another 30 after the class and see that’s the kind of testimonial that I like, because it’s like, okay, you’re not even working with me anymore.

[00:29:17] But I changed the way you think so much that you can do it on your own. Now you see, and that’s what matters the most. To me, I don’t necessarily need people to rely on me as a crutch. I want my clients to be self-sufficient and really start to understand how their body works so they can move forward and live their best life.

[00:29:36] Cassandre: [00:29:36] So you provide like the tools for longevity and for lasting results. So what would you say are, um, some of the limiting or subconscious beliefs that we have around food that you’ve seen in your clients?

[00:29:50] It’s not actually

[00:29:52] Esosa: [00:29:52] around food. Strangely enough, we can have beliefs. No, it’s not about food.

[00:29:56] It’s actually things like, you know, [00:30:00] basically from the age of. Being a child to the age of six or seven we’re in a state of have notes that it hypnosis or whatever happens to you as a kid, you get programmed and the rest of your life, you were playing out this program. And so if you had a really traumatic childhood or something happened, and it doesn’t even have to be super traumatic, people says certain things to you.

[00:30:20] You can have things like I am not enough playing around. That it’ll mess you up forever. Cause you’ll never be able to like, you know, or I can’t, I can never do things right. Where you’re just like this perfectionist. So you get so hard on yourself that you can’t even like relax into your healing journey because you’re constantly judging everything you do.

[00:30:39] So there’s so many beliefs that actually usually have nothing to do with food that affect how we then affects how we then like, uh, implement our health, wellness, uh, journey.

[00:30:53] Cassandre: [00:30:53] That’s powerful. So, so powerful. I, um, was just like, in the past few months, I’ve been trying [00:31:00] to understand what people meant by the inner child.

[00:31:02] And, um, it’s pretty much what you’re talking about, how we all get, you know, we have that playing in our background and that is so powerful. And it makes me think about for those of us who are parents, how important it is to be mindful of how we speak to our children.

[00:31:17] Esosa: [00:31:17] Oh yeah. Oh my God. So important, especially in those early formative years, because.

[00:31:22] They literally are taking in everything as truth and it becomes, it can become a subconscious belief for them. That’s going to then shape the rest of their lives. It’s crazy. I mean, it feels like a lot of pressure, but you know, most of us are, are screwed up in some way anyway, because stuff has already happened to us.

[00:31:41] You know what I’m saying? So, um, I think it is important to be mindful. I think if more people knew how important it was, maybe maybe we’d have healthier adults.

[00:31:52] Cassandre: [00:31:52] Oh, for sure. For sure. And you know, and in, in listening to you, I, I think everything goes down to [00:32:00] being mindful, um, mindful of what we put inside of our body, mindful of what works for us and what doesn’t work.

[00:32:06] And also just mindful of how we speak to one another and what we put into the earth, you know, what put into the atmosphere, it all boils back down to that.

[00:32:17] Two questions that I like to, um, close out with. Um, the first one is a book recommendation of any type. So if you could recommend a book to the audience about anything at all, what would it be?

[00:32:33] Esosa: [00:32:33] Chile! Um, that is a really hard one. I read so much, but I read like nerdy nutrition. You know what I mean? I mean, I read a lot of different things.  A lot of nerdy nutrition-related or health related books.

[00:32:53] How about breaking the habit of being yourself by Dr. Joe Dispenza?

[00:32:58] Cassandre: [00:32:58] Ooh, breaking the [00:33:00] habit of being yourself. Interesting. Okay. Okay. I like that. So I’ll link that as well in the show notes, along with the books that you’ve written. Um, and then my last question is, um, what, what has brought you joy in the past day?

[00:33:19] Esosa: [00:33:19] In the past day, I’m getting a message from my client who, um, doesn’t have hair and was I’m working with her to grow her hair back. She doesn’t have hair, but all of a sudden, because of the work we started doing, we only started two weeks ago. She’s having sensations in her hair in her head. It was the most miraculous, amazing thing. And yeah, that was like, Oh my God, we, we doing this, we doing this.

[00:33:51] Cassandre: [00:33:51] Yeah, that’s beautiful. But thank you so much for your time.

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